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	<title>Civil Tongues &#187; Police Powers</title>
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		<title>Tasers are used most often on the drunk and mentally ill</title>
		<link>http://www.civiltonguesaustralia.com/2009/10/26/tasers-are-used-most-often-on-the-drunk-and-mentally-ill/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[New figures reported today in The Daily Telegraph reveal that Tasers are most likely to be drawn in NSW on the drunk or mentally ill &#8211; despite the fact that these are the people Taser International says are most likely to experience an adverse reaction the the guns.
Taser International safety guidelines say that if a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New figures reported <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26258111-421,00.html">today </a>in <em>The Daily Telegraph</em> reveal that Tasers are most likely to be drawn in NSW on the drunk or mentally ill &#8211; despite the fact that these are the people Taser International says are most likely to experience an adverse reaction the the guns.</p>
<p>Taser International safety guidelines <a href="http://www.taser.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Controlled%20Documents/Warnings/LG-INST-LEWARN-001%20REV%20L%20Law%20Enforcement%20Warnings.pdf">say </a>that if a person is exhibiting signs or behaviours that are associated with &#8220;Sudden In-Custody Death Syndrome&#8221; (such as extreme agitation, bizarre behavior, inappropriate nudity, imperviousness to pain, paranoia, exhaustive exertion) then police should still Taser them, but should consider getting them extra medical help.</p>
<p>- Now, despite the fact that &#8220;sudden in-custody death syndrome&#8221; sounds like an extremely convenient &#8220;sydrome&#8221; to emerge &#8211; if these people are at a higher risk of death to the normal population should we really be encouraging police to electrocute them? -</p>
<p>Overall, <em>The Daily Telegraph</em> says, police in NSW are drawing their Tasers more than once each day &#8211; although the guns are often used as a threat rather than being used to shoot the person.</p>
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		<title>Sydney City Coucil says no to extra police access to spy cameras</title>
		<link>http://www.civiltonguesaustralia.com/2009/09/02/sydney-city-coucil-says-no-to-spy-cameras/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 02:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Sydney of City council has decided against giving police the power to use its inner-city cameras for &#8220;general intelligence gathering&#8221;, the Sydney Morning Herald reports.
Apparently, the rules would have allowed police to view footage &#8221;for intelligence gathering on individuals and locations&#8221; and increased the scope of the program to include all criminal offences except [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sydney of City council has decided against giving police the power to use its inner-city cameras for &#8220;general intelligence gathering&#8221;, the Sydney Morning Herald <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/spy-camera-access-plan-put-on-hold-20090901-f709.html" target="_blank">reports</a>.</p>
<p>Apparently, the rules would have allowed police to view footage &#8221;for intelligence gathering on individuals and locations&#8221; and increased the scope of the program to include all criminal offences except for the use of illicit substances.</p>
<p>While the sydney city council had originally said that the powers had been approved by a steering committe that included a member of the NSW coucil for civil liberties, the civil liberties council later issued a statement saying it had &#8220;reservations&#8221; about the plan.</p>
<p>Two things come to mind:</p>
<p>Firstly, this is a good example of the relevance of the &#8220;slippery slope&#8221; argument that is often made by proponents of civil liberties. The cameras are originally put in to help manage big events and street crime and then later they are used to monitor people who haven&#8217;t committed a crime and may well be doing legitimate (but disliked by the state) activities such as protesting.</p>
<p>Secondly, where was the NSW council on civil liberties on this one? Good work to Paul Bibby at the <em>Herald </em>but surely this is something that the civil liberties council should be making a fuss about loudly and clearly?</p>
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		<title>Ex-police officer (and current liquor exec) wants to ban drunkeness</title>
		<link>http://www.civiltonguesaustralia.com/2009/08/25/ex-police-officer-wants-to-ban-drunkeness/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article in The Punch this morning perfectly sums up the wrong ideas that some people have about the role of police in society.
Michael McShane, an ex-police officer and current managing director of the company that produces Jack Daniels (!) wants to ban public drunkeness and give the police resources to enforce this ban.
Giving the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/ban-being-drunk-in-public-if-you-want-to-stop-violence/?referrer=email" target="_blank">This </a>article in<em> The Punch</em> this morning perfectly sums up the wrong ideas that some people have about the role of police in society.</p>
<p>Michael McShane, an ex-police officer and current managing director of the company that produces Jack Daniels (!) wants to ban public drunkeness and give the police resources to enforce this ban.</p>
<p>Giving the police the power to enforce a law that is by it&#8217;s very nature ambiguous (there is no real sure way to know someone is drunk as one man&#8217;s drunk person is another man&#8217;s exhuberant idiot), and then telling them to enforce it in a high-stress high-hostility situation like a city street full of night clubs is just asking for trouble.</p>
<p>But of course, it suits the liquor industry to have the public purse pay for high-visibility policing rather than to have to bear the cost of reduced sales and higher taxes.</p>
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		<title>Drunken Hooligans</title>
		<link>http://www.civiltonguesaustralia.com/2009/08/24/drunken-hooligans/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Police Powers]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, remind me never to get into an argument with a nightclub bouncer in melbourne&#8230;  The Geelong Advertiser reports today that &#8220;drunken thugs&#8221; will be banned from Geelong for up to six months to &#8220;weed trouble-makers out of the city&#8221;.
Police will also be over to pull-over taxis so they can issue fines to people drinking [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, remind me never to get into an argument with a nightclub bouncer in melbourne&#8230;  The Geelong Advertiser <a href="http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2009/08/25/96851_news.html">reports </a>today that &#8220;drunken thugs&#8221; will be banned from Geelong for up to six months to &#8220;weed trouble-makers out of the city&#8221;.</p>
<p>Police will also be over to pull-over taxis so they can issue fines to people drinking during their ride into the CBD. This comes on top of the police already having the power &#8211; without a court order &#8211; to ban people from the CBD for 24 hours. Bad news for work tomorrow if you work in the city but get too drunk at after-work drinks on a thursday night.</p>
<p>The question is, will these kinds of policies work to reduce problematic drinking in Australia? Having worked in a bar for six years, I can tell you that the answer, in my opinion, is a resounding &#8220;no&#8221;. This is a cultural problem that exists in among all groups &#8211; not just the young men who are obviously the targets of this type of legislation.</p>
<p>Futhermore, giving police more power to exact harsh punishment on any drunk idiot who annoys them is only going to lead to trouble -  as <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-inquiry-into-stun-gun-shooting-in-city-20090614-c7fu.html">this </a>story about a man who was tasered while walking away from police on Oxford Street, Sydney shows.</p>
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		<title>Police Powers Promises</title>
		<link>http://www.civiltonguesaustralia.com/2009/08/24/police-powers-promises/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I thought it might be fun for this blog to keep a record of every politician’s promises to increase police powers.   So congratulations Anna Bligh for being the first one to make the list! A tip-off on Crikey explains the issue well enough:
Another populist story in the Queensland media and another kneejerk [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I thought it might be fun for this blog to keep a record of every politician’s promises to increase police powers.   So congratulations Anna Bligh for being the first one to make the list! A tip-off on <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au" target="_blank">Crikey</a> explains the issue well enough:</p>
<blockquote><p>Another populist story in the Queensland media and another kneejerk reaction by Anna Bligh. This time we have had stories about the Bandido&#8217;s biker gang opening a new clubhouse in the middle of a retail street very close to the Gabba sportsground. And within two days of the story getting out Anna Bligh has announced a new crackdown on biker gangs in Queensland &#8212; supported by new laws! The Bandido&#8217;s have had a clubhouse in the general vicinity for over ten years!</p>
<p>The clubhouse was in a back street Bligh never complained then! I wonder if the quick kneejerk has anything to do with the new clubhouse being smack bang in the middle of her South Brisbane electorate? Funny thing is the old clubhouse was in her electorate too and it was never a problem because it was hidden from general view in a back street.</p>
<p>So all you need to change the Government&#8217;s mind is a story in the media and Anna will give you what you want&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>In response, the <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/23/2663893.htm" target="_blank">ABC reports</a> that Bligh has promised powers that include court declarations of criminal organisations and orders preventing gang members from owning weapons, fortifying properties and associating with one another.  The Australian Council of Civil Liberties president Terry O&#8217;Gorman has called the proposed laws “repressive”.</p>
<p>Added: 25/08/09</p>
<p>Brumby comes in a number two with <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/national/brumby-considers-tougher-laws-for-gang-attacks-20090825-ex9k.html" target="_blank">this </a>promise to curb city violence with more police powers.</p>
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