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		<title>Ex-police officer (and current liquor exec) wants to ban drunkeness</title>
		<link>http://www.civiltonguesaustralia.com/2009/08/25/ex-police-officer-wants-to-ban-drunkeness/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article in The Punch this morning perfectly sums up the wrong ideas that some people have about the role of police in society.
Michael McShane, an ex-police officer and current managing director of the company that produces Jack Daniels (!) wants to ban public drunkeness and give the police resources to enforce this ban.
Giving the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/ban-being-drunk-in-public-if-you-want-to-stop-violence/?referrer=email" target="_blank">This </a>article in<em> The Punch</em> this morning perfectly sums up the wrong ideas that some people have about the role of police in society.</p>
<p>Michael McShane, an ex-police officer and current managing director of the company that produces Jack Daniels (!) wants to ban public drunkeness and give the police resources to enforce this ban.</p>
<p>Giving the police the power to enforce a law that is by it&#8217;s very nature ambiguous (there is no real sure way to know someone is drunk as one man&#8217;s drunk person is another man&#8217;s exhuberant idiot), and then telling them to enforce it in a high-stress high-hostility situation like a city street full of night clubs is just asking for trouble.</p>
<p>But of course, it suits the liquor industry to have the public purse pay for high-visibility policing rather than to have to bear the cost of reduced sales and higher taxes.</p>
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		<title>Drunken Hooligans</title>
		<link>http://www.civiltonguesaustralia.com/2009/08/24/drunken-hooligans/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, remind me never to get into an argument with a nightclub bouncer in melbourne&#8230;  The Geelong Advertiser reports today that &#8220;drunken thugs&#8221; will be banned from Geelong for up to six months to &#8220;weed trouble-makers out of the city&#8221;.
Police will also be over to pull-over taxis so they can issue fines to people drinking [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, remind me never to get into an argument with a nightclub bouncer in melbourne&#8230;  The Geelong Advertiser <a href="http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2009/08/25/96851_news.html">reports </a>today that &#8220;drunken thugs&#8221; will be banned from Geelong for up to six months to &#8220;weed trouble-makers out of the city&#8221;.</p>
<p>Police will also be over to pull-over taxis so they can issue fines to people drinking during their ride into the CBD. This comes on top of the police already having the power &#8211; without a court order &#8211; to ban people from the CBD for 24 hours. Bad news for work tomorrow if you work in the city but get too drunk at after-work drinks on a thursday night.</p>
<p>The question is, will these kinds of policies work to reduce problematic drinking in Australia? Having worked in a bar for six years, I can tell you that the answer, in my opinion, is a resounding &#8220;no&#8221;. This is a cultural problem that exists in among all groups &#8211; not just the young men who are obviously the targets of this type of legislation.</p>
<p>Futhermore, giving police more power to exact harsh punishment on any drunk idiot who annoys them is only going to lead to trouble -  as <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-inquiry-into-stun-gun-shooting-in-city-20090614-c7fu.html">this </a>story about a man who was tasered while walking away from police on Oxford Street, Sydney shows.</p>
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